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Wednesday, January 25, 2006

Top Ten Week - Girls are Lame.

This week is super-slow at work. The case with the Settlement Conference Memo settled nicely. So, in lieu of regular posts about life, I hereby designate the remainder of this week Top Ten Week. So, between today, Thursday and Friday, I will be dropping lists. Law students are urged to read a prior Top-Ten Lex-List: Top Ten Words to Drop When You Get Socratic Method'd

Anyhow, today's list:

Top Ten Reasons Chicks are Idiots.

10. We want every man we have ever been with to want us forever. We fuck with men's heads. Ever had a girlfriend break up with you only to treat you with jealousy later on down the road? This is not because she still wants you. Rather, it is because she wants you to always want her. Women feel a territorial instinct towards the men who have been under our spell, and want that to remain forever. It feels good to be wanted. But it feels really, really bad when that male-desire goes away. See, women want to view their current relationship as an upgrade from those that came before. One way we do this is through knowing that every man who came before is still pining away for us. On some level, that allows us to feel superior and therefore that we are getting ahead in life. It is a bullshit, selfish instinct.

9. We are too caught up in physcial appearance. Don't get me wrong, I love to shop and dress up and go "Oh my God, that bracelet is totally hot" just as much as the next girl. But women have entertained notions of physical vanity to the point where it has crippled our gender's societal standing. Men respond to physcially attractive women and women have jumped on that boat quicker than as if the ocean were on fire. While we try to fit into that smaller size and maintain perfectly primped hair, men run the world. We have a male-centered society where attractiveness equals power for women. Women adopted that framework and have remained there - willingly. From the moment we are born, we are taught that beauty will get us places. And as we become older and less attractive, we become even more likely to reach out towards a man for our stability, internally thinking that time is "running out" to land a good one as our looks fade. Instead of refusing to focus on appearance, women lap it up. Even I admit to using this for advantage. But I will be totally hating it when I am old and wrinkly. In fairness, we have begun to string the men along slightly with the spread of the Metrosexuality Movement, but women are still far more dependent upon their looks as a source of self-esteem and social value.

8. We overestimate the value of super-huge boobs. In fairness, boys also suffer this flaw. This is really a sub-issue of #9, but deserves special attention. Come on ladies, when they get to a certain size, they really do just fall into your armpits when you lay down. That's pretty gross. Don't be fooled into hating your perky B-s because the DD girls are wearing good underwires in public. Those are the girls who grow up and look like Ms. Choksondic.

7. Women have loyalty issues. I can't tell you how many male friends I have that would never, ever rat eachother out, steal eachother's girl or fail to throw down for the homies. Women, on the other hand, will toss aside their best friend of twenty years over a petty fight involving a $20 pair of shoes. Ok, maybe not a $20 pair of shoes, but $50 for sure. Women are far too quick to dismiss their friendships in favor of a man they have known for two weeks.

6. Emotion beats logic like rock beats scissors in personal relationships. We are really, really bad at stepping back and looking at our lives and feelings logically. We do not question are intuitive feelings nearly as often as we should. It's seems like whenever we feel "hurt" or "sad" -- that feeling is supposed to somehow magically matter, just because we felt it.

5. We have not pushed hard enough for the invention of the Human Incubator Machine. Fact is, pregnancy sucks. I do not understand why there is not a huge female lobby / research fund dedicated to getting around the whole "out of commission for nine months" thing. I want to go to a clinic, drop off my egg, have it monitored constantly and ensured perfect development. Then, I get to keep taking aspirin and going on ski trips. Nine months later, you go pick up your kid like the dry cleaning. Pregnancy is not a "beautiful experience." Being a parent is cool, but pregnancy sucks ass.

4. We do drive shittier. This may have something to do with the fact that men, biologically, have better spatial reasoning abilitites. But it also has to do with a lot of girls talk, talk, talking on their cell phones and applying their fourth layer of make-up while driving. I've come close to getting hit at least 10 times - and I would venture that more than 80% were women.

3. We desire material items without any regard to how we obtain them. A diamond may be forever, but the arm of the little Nigerian boy who dug it out is not. Diamonds often get to our fingers through very inhumanitarian ways. But hey, what do we care, it's sparkly...

2. Women think they are supposed to have children. I can't even count the number of girls I know who have children for all the wrong reasons. We already have too many people on this planet. Women are quick to jump to the conclusion that they want a kid, without really thinking it through. Having a child is about standing back and watching somthing grow into it's own entity. It's about selflessness and a desire to help something reach it's highest potential. It's not about being the next step after marriage. It's not a requirement. You don't have to have a kid just because your friend did. The worst of all are mothers with an Entitlement Complex. If you have a mom that is always bitching at you about how she had you, raised you, gave you all she had and now you are being ungrateful because you want to choose your own job or mate or residence.... you are the spawn of one of these women. Sorry.

1. Women hate all other women. Undeniably true on the whole. It's a crippling default presumption that has dictated female interactions since the beginning. Now, this was probably useful back in the days when women had to make sure that their caveman was coming back with that day's kill and evolutionary flah flah flah. But it is time to evolve, we are holding back our gender by being so suspicious of one another. It goes back to female vanity and the need to be desired by all men as well as our over-dependence on appearance. Every woman we see, we size her up immediately. Is she prettier? Is she smarter? Could she steal my man? Then we assume worst-case scenario and act accordingly.

There it is folks - straight from a woman.

A great big "Get Over Yourself" to every Feminist Victomologist I have offended with this one.

26 Comments:

  • Ms. choksondic, thats great. In fairness, men also want every woman he sees to want him, nay, need him, not that he would act on this want or need, its all part of the male ego, and also a huge confidence booster. Lex, you are an exception to all women everywhere, not that you dont suffer from everyone of your top ten listed items, but that you I dentify them and you dont let them dictate your actions. If we are ever to have a woman as our president it would be someone just like you, perhaps your offspring.
    Good form on todays post. It takes something special to see ones own flaws and you have that.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:40 PM  

  • Lex, After the last post, about living on Wysteria Lane, your current post makes me read between the lines!

    I can only assume that when you got home the other day, Boyfriend and you got into an interesting "discussion" about the lady next door! Knowing you, you probably went over and confronted her, but still had to come back and finish your discussion with Boyfriend!

    Since I am a betting man, and taking into consideration the time lapse between these two posts, I bet that Boyfriend out-logic"ed" you in that "discussion", and today's current post is the final result!

    Way to go Boyfriend! Lex, please give him a high-five for me!

    CURRENT SCORE
    Martians plus 1,
    Venetians minus 10.

    ylkpo

    By Blogger Crazy East Coast Uncle, at 3:59 PM  

  • My favorites: 9, 6, 4, 3. I think I'll be sending my g/f the link to this one.

    Good show, Lex. I'd do the complement to this but I'm not that insightful.

    By Blogger Arbusto, at 7:19 PM  

  • What a female chauvinist pig. So "chicks" are lame...NEWSFLASH--YOU ARE A CHICK. Every single one of those misogynist comments that is supposed to broadly apply to every single woman (approx. 3 billion in the world) APPLIES TO YOU TOO. Do you hate yourself that much? Or are you just so bitter and angry that you take your self hatred and want to apply it to all women, most of whom do not have your severe mental problems nor act in the manner described in your "list."
    Please do yourself a favor: go to a therapist, take some anger management classes, and stop hating yourself, and other women as an extension. If not for yourself, do it for your daughter. She's probably suffering considerable emotional damage from your anger, self-hatred, and sexist delusions.
    P.S. Listen to John Lennon's "Woman is the Nigger of the World." I think that song would really help someone as lost and bitter as you.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:00 PM  

  • It's amazing to me how quickly Anonymuos commentators throw around trash talk. I made a comment over at Expressio Unius today (http://expressiounius.blogspot.com/ -- awesome, btw) responding to a similiar styled anonymous writer with similiarly reactionary words. Coincidence?

    Anyhow - first of all, see the "irreverent" portion of my blog's description. We are all grown ups here, and I'm not saying or posting anything that people don't say when they are sitting in the living room talking with their friends. I've had this very duscussion with many, many intelligent well-rounded women and even when they disagree - they at least do so with reason, rather than jabs at a person's family or mental state. And many women agree with me. I took your advice and checked down my shirt and it turns out you're right -- I AM a girl. Gee-Wiz. Guess that means I am in no position to have an opinion on this issue.

    I don't think chicks are lame all the way around - apologies if you interpreted it that way - but I do think there are at least ten very true lame qualities that chicks possess to a larger degree, on average, than men. Nobody is perfect, and pretending that we are only slows down the process of becoming better people.

    Honesty is not self-hatred. And silence does not subdue truth. It's unfortunate when people refuse to see faults as it prevents us from evolving away from them. The more women tell themselves that we are not caught up in vanity and the desire to impress and conform with others, the longer those traits will remain.

    You are preciselty who I refer to when I use the term Feminist Victimologist.

    And John Lennon totally kicks ass.

    For a dude.

    By Blogger Lex Fori, at 8:44 PM  

  • It must have been hard seeing your father beat your mother, and then die like that. If you were a man, you would probably be beating your wife or girlfriend because you were taught that was okay. But you're a woman, so you take out your anger at your mother and women in general by hating yourself and other women, your former cutting is a symptom of that self-hatred. And it must have been hard getting knocked up at 16 and having such a terrible relationship with your baby's daddy. And it must be hard living in a cramped white trash household like yours. But like I said, there's plenty of well-adjusted feminist women (not "chicks") who do not act like you and who do not hate themselves or other women. Like I said, please get some therapy. Otherwise your daughter will end up like you--hating herself, other women, cutting, and knocked up at 16. You've passed along some fucked up genes to her, but please give her a fighting chance in this misogynist culture. Your bitterness at your boyfriend for almost (or actually?) cheating on you doesn't mean other women are evil, or all women consider themselves victims. You are acting like the ultimate victim by refusing to get help. GO SEE A THERAPIST.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:01 PM  

  • Hey, Lex, don't even try anymore. Obviously Anonymous can't read.

    By Blogger Arbusto, at 8:01 AM  

  • It's a sad day for everywhere when mentalities like Anonymous have hijacked the liberal movement.

    Again, such reactionary logic. You believe that because I witnessed my father beat my mother, I must suddenly be "ok" with violence - only I take it out in a "female" way? So... men resort to physical violence while women resort to emotional violence? Who is making the gender assumptions now? I do agree that this is the tendency though - great point - quite supportive of my theories. Thank you.

    Living with extended members of my family means I live in a "white trash" household? Seems to me that if I made that comment, you would be raging and calling me a rascist.

    Get your thoughts straight Anonymous. You make no progress by making groundles stabs at a person's family, past or mental capacity. To assume that my childhood dictates my future only reinforces the idea that women cannot be strong enough to rise above the negative forces of our "misogynist culture," as you call it. That is not the argument of a well-adjusted feminist. It is the argument of a Feminist Victimologist.

    If you truly believe that I am wrong, offer up reasoning - not name calling. I would be more than happy to publish a well-thought out post refuting my thoughts on women point-by-point. If you are truly concerned about the impact our culture has on women, you really need to learn to present those thoughts in a logical manner. Otherwise, you will only push people away from your ideas that you seem to believe in so strongly. You cannot win a policy argument or refute someone's thoughts through groundless assumptions regarding a person's character.

    Please, for the good of left-leaning folks everywhere - place a check on your emotions and try to win the battle with reason. There are lots of intelligent, logical arguments out there that run counter to the thoughts I posted yesterday. If you can't think them up yourself, try Google, I'm sure you can find something that way.

    Until then, keep up the Anonymous front. I'm sure you would never raise your hand in class, engage in a face-to-face debate or place your name next to bullshit rambling like you are offering up here.

    By Blogger Lex Fori, at 9:11 AM  

  • Oh my god! How can someone be so critical of someone/something they obviously don't understand. Anonymous thinks "I have all this great knowledge, I must bash individuals expressing themselves on the internet so there are no repercussions." Shame on you Anonymous, for attacking Lex and using her past, which she has had much more courage than you could ever possess, to post, talk about, and work through. What kind of a person sits around a says nasty things like that to people they do not even know? Are you not educated enough to have an intelligent conversation without attacking? And if you do choose to attack, why not stick to the topic at hand? Why dig back deeper on the posts of someone you don't agree and read more about this person you appearently disagree with so much.....
    Oh my god....I think I figured out who anonymous is.
    Figures, if I am correct. Would be the only person I know who probley fits every negative trait a woman could pocess. Filled with negativity.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:26 AM  

  • Thank you Lex's Friend. Props to the homies. I also thought it strange that a person would so vehemently disagree with me and then dedicate a good chunk of time reading old posts. But hey, I'll take my readership however I can get it ;)

    The saddest part is that it really was meant as an irreverant post based on what I perceive as realistic generalities. On the whole, I would guess that Anonymous and I probably have very similiar poltical beliefs. It's the thought process and defense of those beliefs that separates the two of us.

    Unfortunately, these days, the voice of the left is this reactionary. We need to learn to prove we are right, not just keep yelling at people until they agree. This is why we are still in a baseless war. This is why economic disparities are becoming more pronouced. And it is why us lefties are losing battles all over the country. We are seen as fundamentalists, unwilling to even entertain the notion that those who disagree might make decent points. It realy is a shame.

    By Blogger Lex Fori, at 9:45 AM  

  • Ya know, when I first read this post I was going to mention how funny I thought it was. However I was also going to mention that although I know women like that, I can honestly say that I do not posess any of these traits (well, mabey a little of the vanity, but alot less the typical female; and the emotion thing may rule from time to time, but I'm pretty good about puttin myself in check about that, or letting anyone else!)
    So in the aftermath, I'm curious...have you blocked anonymous comments?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:57 AM  

  • Yeah - the post was always about generalities and averages.I think the main idea was that in general, they are qualities women are more likely to possess than men. If I were presented with one of them and asked "Male or Female?" I would answer "Female." Similiarly, if we said "Uses physcial violence to express anger?" The response would be "male," just as Anonymous assumed. Anonymous took my post and assumed that I attribute these qualities to all women everywhere. It's just not true. I am not quite sure who you are Lex's Friend, but I appreciate your responses.

    Nope, I have not blocked Anonymous comments. Nor will I. Just as you put "Lex's Friend" in the identification bar, all commentators have the same ability. If someone chooses to comment anonymously, that is their decision. Oftentimes, the most knee-jerk responses are from Anonymous folks and there are reasons for that. But I would never require someone to have an online identity in order to participate in the blogosphere.

    While I think Anonymous is misguided in her arguments, I still appreciate the effort put in to express one's thoughts. I think there is a benefit for all of us to engage in the discussion. I know that, for me, it has highlighted and solidifed what I consider to be a very problematic aspect of the left.

    The response to this post almost makes me wary to put up today's -- I would hate to cut short this engaging dialogue!!

    By Blogger Lex Fori, at 10:14 AM  

  • I should have checked in earlier! Oh well, better late than never.

    This nameless person reminds me of the conservative right mentality. There is no logic to the arguements, just illogical reasoning, name calling, and shameless character attacks! Obviously from a RED state and wholed up in some double-wide collecting welfare, while not feeding her kids because she is the true Ms. Choksondik! I bet s/he voted for the shrub, and was enraged by Monica and Bill!

    I know only one thing about this individual, that s/he made a couple of post that didn't make much sense, but from that, I was able to understand her/him, and felt it appropriate to reply to the stupidity of the nameless person's post with a typical right-winger's reasoned response.

    vrpmae

    By Blogger Crazy East Coast Uncle, at 10:14 AM  

  • Oh CECU, that's the saddest part. I think Anonymous is more like us than we want to believe. Probably has cast ballots that mirror our own. There are ill-reasoned lefties among us - it's just harder to see because we tend to agree with them on a superficial level. Like I said, it's the logical basis of the arguments that separates us.

    Pure comedy though. Double-wide, child-starvers voting for shrubs!! Haahaa - Golden.

    By Blogger Lex Fori, at 10:21 AM  

  • Lex, today, you don't need a top ten list. We can just read the comment's of yesterday's post.

    How bizarre!

    crcszedl

    By Blogger Crazy East Coast Uncle, at 10:24 AM  

  • Hold on a sec--I figured it out! Lex, I have figured out the perfect paradise where you should live, and where every single women wholly reject the lame weaknesses you listed in your Top Ten List. I'll give you a list of clues, figure it out...

    1. Women are forbidden to drive by law (which is good because like you said, they are shitty drivers...remember you are one too and will not be allowed).

    2. Women are married off at an early age, stay with that one guy until someone dies, and aren't allowed to speak with males except relatives (so they don't expect every man to want them because they only know one romantically and sexually).

    3. Women don't really interact with anybody in society because they do not attend school nor have jobs (so they can't hate other women because they don't see or talk to them).

    4. Women don't have loyalty issues between men and friends (because they don't and aren't allowed to have either).

    5. Women don't and can't get breast implants or worry about physical appearance because they wrap themselves in bedsheets when they leave the house once a month, so nobody actually sees what they really look like (for good reason, because they could be executed for "immodesty" for failing to do so).

    6. Women's emotions are worth absolutely nothing (because that's what women are worth) and receive no attention whatsoever (because it is completely illogical to think about what women are feeling).

    The only bad thing is that they must have babies because well...that's the ONLY thing women do better than men, actually the only thing women should be allowed to do due to their lameness.

    Can you guess to which feminine utopia I am referring to...that's right, SAUDI ARABIA! You have the same gender beliefs as a Saudi imam. Please go to Saudi Arabia, and I am sure you will be much more satisfied when surrounded by the superior gender relations (not to mention public beheadings). Women are treated like shit, which you would love because that's how you view yourself and other women. However, please be aware you might be forced into a brothel due to your sordid, checkered past and uncleanliness.

    I said it before, and I'll say it again...THERAPY. Seeing your drunk degenerate dad use your poor mom as a punching bag and knowing he fucked some other nutbag in front of her has screwed you up. The chaos you grew up in will affect your daughter, and I don't want my future income tax dollars going to pay for the welfare her future bastard offspring are going to require as a result of your issues.

    Oh wait, you're a "liberal," so welfare is a good thing. Do they even have welfare in Saudi Arabia? Maybe scratch what I said earlier. How about...Cuba? It's hard to be materialistic and superficial there while living on 20 cents a day, but they are "leftist" like you for sure...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:28 PM  

  • Yawn.

    How long did it take you to come up with that showing?

    You point to a society where women are worse off than they are in America as proof that I am wrong in pointing out what I view as flaws our gender entertains. Again, faulty logic. You can't prove that something is perfect by pointing to something that is not. It's like standing next to an ant and calling yourself tall.

    Yes, we have it better than in Saudia Arabia. Yes, we have it better than in Cuba. Yes, we have it better than almost anywhere in the world. We are fortunate. But that is no excuse to sit back and ignore our weaknesses. Perhaps if we evolved further from our flaws, we would become more involved in the political process and fight for the rights of those oppressed women you think I should join up with.

    I don't get why you continue engaging me with this rubbish? You don't want to waste your tax-dollars on me and my family - yet you have dedicated at least a couple solid hours to reading about my life and arguing with me from behind a shield of anonymity. Assuming I would ever benefit from your tax dollars, and given the % of tax dollars spent on social programs I might benefit from -- I am guessing that you have already spent more on me than your tax dollars ever could. Thank you.

    If your initial concern was to point out that I was wrong when I said women are prone to dislike one another, focus on vanity and get caught up in their personal emotions - why do you continue to fit so perfectly into that mold? As I said, I invite you to come up with a reasoned rebuttal - and when you do - I will publish it as its own post to demonstrate that I am open to logical disagreements.

    You began this comment-war raging on me for making negative comments about women. Now, you have turned it into a personal attack against my life and child. Not exactly fitting the role of the perfect woman you want us to pretend every woman is.

    You're fighting a losing battle. And making yourself look lame at the same time.

    If I were in your position, I would stay anonymous too.

    By Blogger Lex Fori, at 1:57 PM  

  • Saudi Arabia...huh...I thought the nameless fool meant Utah! RED STATE Obviously we are dealing with a typical right wing ditto head nut case.

    Anonymous - Grow up. Get an education, and learn to keep your legs and mouth closed!

    Personally, I think you are a guy! Hiding behind the facade of being a female! Perhaps you like being Mrs. Doubtfire Choksondik! I think you must have some anger issues and probably were abused as a child or young adult yourself! You still haven't learned how to deal with it, and therefore, when you saw that Lex has learned (obviously tons more than you) how to deal with her life, your jealousy of the fact that you can't deal with your own issues has kicked in. Now, we have to read your housecrap right-wing, dittohead, doublewide trailer trash, which never makes any sense at all!

    You wasted a lot of time showing us how stupid you are by your actions! We find you amusing! Please keep wasting your time with your illogical arguements!

    In case you are still not sure, I am laughing at you, not with you!

    Keep up the RED state banter and really show us how stupid you are!

    offec

    By Blogger Crazy East Coast Uncle, at 2:48 PM  

  • Okay, I'll try to keep this one semi-short and sweet. I knew about your shit, I didn't have to read all the blogs. Crazy East Coast Uncle: keep my legs and my mouth closed? Maybe something Lex should have tried around oh, I don't know, around 15 or 16 years of age? Or maybe her mom and dad should have done all their lives? And you should do too? The weather here in Salt Lake City is perfect for skiing, my wife and I love hitting the slopes :) Your post was longer...where was your daughter while you spent all that time in front of the computer trying to defend your chaotic, damaged life? Do you have any idea where your ex-husband is? Oh and...THERAPY. Oh wait, and TUBAL LIGATION (look it up).

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:20 PM  

  • Lets try this.....
    You are a negative phyco FREAK
    Spend less time verbally abusing your keyboard and more time focusing on your own &*%$% up life.
    If you are so DISGUSTED by what she is and who she is...STAY THE HELL AWAY FREAK!!!!
    Everyone is sick of your rantings.

    You are obviously OBSESSED with battering your verbal abuse into the minds of UNINTERESTED UNENTERTAINED UNDESERVING public.

    Get a hobby..try hugging someone...who cares...just do us a favor and turn of the damn computer!!! freaking moron.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:31 PM  

  • Apologies, I forgot to put this in before. Possible topic for your next post: Top Ten Reasons Guys Are Lame. Never mind, compared to all women, every single guy in the world is more intelligent, logical, stable, and just overall better (except when beating wives while drunk and/or high, impregnating teenage girls, abandoning teenage girls, divorcing and abandoning children--I could go on but you are familiar with that kind of thing, no?). Would you do that post, or will your chaos prevent you from criticizing men in any way?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:39 PM  

  • *sigh*

    I could do the same post on men. But writing a 100 things list takes a long time.

    I try and try and offer and offer, but Anonymous, for some reason you just won't take your arguments seriously.

    Initially, I assumed you were a college or graduate student. I thought you were angered by the post and offering a knee-jerk reaction. I hoped that my requests for actual thoughtful arguments would spark some interesting discussion.

    Now I am wondering if maybe you are an adolescent, not quite to the point of formal reasoning. I started off thinking you weren't that bright - but now I'm just plain dissapointed by your idiocy. It's ironic that you started by tagging me out for making inflammatory statements - then proceed to offer up more severe forms as the day progressed. I sincerely hope that I am right and you are just too young and inexperienced to see how sad your behavior on this blog has been.

    Again - I challenge you to offer up an actual, thought-out, reasoned basis for your position. Whatever that is. You seem more interested in having a name-calling assumption-fest than engaging in a discussion of the issues contained in my original post.

    It's kinda sad. I hope my tax dollars go to a program that will help you some day.

    By Blogger Lex Fori, at 5:42 PM  

  • hey jack ass
    san diego is kinda far from salt lake city.
    do you know what a site meter is?
    i wonder how anonymous would feel if his veil was lifted.....
    to be continued....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:49 PM  

  • Lex,

    This is too funny! (Kinda f'ed up with the insults at some points)
    You are stronger than me, I would of turned off the anonymous typers a long time ago!!
    BTW..Girls are lame...I agree %110%

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:16 PM  

  • Lex, I do believe that Anonymous has a split personality today...more than one Anonymous!

    To the good Anonymous, thank you. To the bad Anonymous, get a life!

    mwipnmrf

    By Blogger Crazy East Coast Uncle, at 7:12 PM  

  • I must say that anonymous is pretty amusing. Can't quite figure out if s/he (or perhaps both but dosen't want to admit it) that's the liberal in me, he he is trying to say. I have noted that s/he or both has a mouth like a truck driver and maybe that's why s/he is offended that you listed women the way you did. Nobody is perfect and you of all people know that, but you put it out there objectively. Some may not agree but they can't fault you for being objective. If s/he or both disagrees so fanatically then why not just stay on the ski slopes and leave well enough alone?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:51 PM  

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